TL-191: After the End

[David bar Elias]

Interesting, so I’m guessing there’s more “Larry Thorne” types in the armed forces?

So, follow up, this has probably been asked, but how does the average southerner/Confederate-descended American feel about the Freedomite regime and the war? Is the Lost Cause myth still around in a more sinister form? Or did the destruction of the Second Great War kill it off in 1944?

Yes, though the motives for former Confederate veterans joining the US military in the first postwar generation could be wildly different, depending on their respective backgrounds and circumstances.

The US military did not welcome anyone who was discovered to have a background as a war criminal or prior membership in the Freedom Party.

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By 2024, there isn’t widespread nostalgia for the former CSA in the US Midsouth, and a version of the Lost Cause myth from our world never developed.

The crimes of the Freedom Party, especially the Destruction, remain a source of shame and remorse throughout the Midsouth.

 

[David bar Elias]

I don't know if it has been mentioned but during the fourth pacific war was the Japanese American community interned like in our timeline? Did they face any discrimination? What was the community like after the war ended and how do they view Japan and Ezo?

The Japanese American community was not detained by the US authorities during the Fourth Pacific War, but did face social prejudice during and immediately after the conflict. The response of many Japanese Americans to social hostility during the Fourth Pacific War was one of fear. Unfortunately this led to many members of the Japanese American community to downplay their heritage in an attempt to completely assimilate into US society. There was sorrow among Japanese Americans at the post-Fourth Pacific War fate of Japan, though there was no real support either for the Japanese Workers Republic or the Ecological Union.

 

[David bar Elias]

So how would TTL version of Russia view the OTL version of itself? Mainly under Josef Stalin and the present day?

By 2024, most people in the Russian Republic would be appalled at how the USSR developed under Stalin. Most people in Russia would also be surprised at the idea of their nation being in a Cold War with the United States for over four decades.

 

[Lalli]

What became of TTL's analogue of Helen Keller?

I don’t know if there was an analogue to Helen Keller in the TL-191 series. There’s nothing really analogous to the play The Miracle Worker in TTL.

Helen Keller was born in Alabama in 1880 so she is probably butterflied or not become deafblind. But it is possible if not plausible that there is someone another similar person even if lives in different country and has slightly different background.

 

[David bar Elias]

How is Richmond right now as of preseant time?

By 2024, Richmond is smaller in population and size compared to our world, with some 100,000 people altogether. The city still has a bad reputation in the rest of the United States as the former capital of the Confederacy, though unlike Charleston, Richmond was eventually rebuilt, albeit under a US military administration that planned for a smaller postwar metropolis.

During the first generation after the end of the Second Great War, the US military government systematically demolished all Confederate government buildings and monuments, along with all monuments or buildings associated with the Freedom Party. This even extended to the Tredegar Iron Workers, which were parceled out to US conglomerates before its surviving equipment was dismantled and moved elsewhere. By 2024, the Democratic Party controls Richmond politically.

The Dewey administration debated moving the state capital of Virginia to another city, but ultimately decided against it when the military advised that there weren’t any other suitable locations available to house the US and civilian administrations for the state.

Richmond, as elsewhere in the Midsouth, experienced violence during the postwar anti-US insurgency. Like elsewhere in the Midsouth, anti-US rebels failed to successfully challenge US military power in the city, though it did hamper reconstruction efforts in the late 1940s and early 1950s. Like in other regions of the Midsouth, some surviving anti-US rebels in Richmond evolved into organized crime rackets, which formed the basis for the different outfits of the Dixie Mafia. The Richmond Outfit dominated organized crime in the city from the early 1970s until the mid-1980s, when it was destroyed in an and absorbed by the larger Norfolk Outfit.

Richmond, like other cities in the Midsouth, never recovered demographically or economically from the Second Great War or the Destruction. The former African American neighborhoods in Richmond, such as Jackson Ward, were destroyed by the Freedom Party beginning in the late 1930s and continuing until the city was liberated by the United States. None of the African American survivors from Richmond returned permanently to the city after the end of the Second Great War. There is a memorial to the victims of the Destruction in Capitol Square.

Beginning in the late 1990s, Richmond began a period of economic growth, which was driven by an influx of migrants from elsewhere in the Midsouth, as well as the successful establishment of an artistic and theater center in the Riverfront District. Richmond also benefited from the opening of the Virginia Technical College in 2004, a research institute focused around technology and engineering. This period of economic growth in Richmond came to an abrupt end in 2019 with the Great Housing Crash, which led to a significant number of foreclosures in the city, as well as a contraction in tourism and the economic collapse of much of the Riverfront District.

By 2024, Richmond, like other cities in the Midsouth, is known in the United States as a place that people leave, rather than as a place that people move to.

 

[David bar Elias]

Helen Keller was born in Alabama in 1880 so she is probably butterflied or not become deafblind. But it is possible if not plausible that there is someone another similar person even if lives in different country and has slightly different background.

That might be the case. In general, if someone is not specifically mentioned as existing in the series, I will assume that someone might exist either as an analogue to their OTL counterpart or having been butterflied away.

 

[Lochnessmoonster]

By 2024, Richmond is smaller in population and size compared to our world, with some 100,000 people altogether. The city still has a bad reputation in the rest of the United States as the former capital of the Confederacy, though unlike Charleston, Richmond was eventually rebuilt, albeit under a US military administration that planned for a smaller postwar metropolis.

During the first generation after the end of the Second Great War, the US military government systematically demolished all Confederate government buildings and monuments, along with all monuments or buildings associated with the Freedom Party. This even extended to the Tredegar Iron Workers, which were parceled out to US conglomerates before its surviving equipment was dismantled and moved elsewhere. By 2024, the Democratic Party controls Richmond politically.

The Dewey administration debated moving the state capital of Virginia to another city, but ultimately decided against it when the military advised that there weren’t any other suitable locations available to house the US and civilian administrations for the state.

Richmond, as elsewhere in the Midsouth, experienced violence during the postwar anti-US insurgency. Like elsewhere in the Midsouth, anti-US rebels failed to successfully challenge US military power in the city, though it did hamper reconstruction efforts in the late 1940s and early 1950s. Like in other regions of the Midsouth, some surviving anti-US rebels in Richmond evolved into organized crime rackets, which formed the basis for the different outfits of the Dixie Mafia. The Richmond Outfit dominated organized crime in the city from the early 1970s until the mid-1980s, when it was destroyed in an and absorbed by the larger Norfolk Outfit.

Richmond, like other cities in the Midsouth, never recovered demographically or economically from the Second Great War or the Destruction. The former African American neighborhoods in Richmond, such as Jackson Ward, were destroyed by the Freedom Party beginning in the late 1930s and continuing until the city was liberated by the United States. None of the African American survivors from Richmond returned permanently to the city after the end of the Second Great War. There is a memorial to the victims of the Destruction in Capitol Square.

Beginning in the late 1990s, Richmond began a period of economic growth, which was driven by an influx of migrants from elsewhere in the Midsouth, as well as the successful establishment of an artistic and theater center in the Riverfront District. Richmond also benefited from the opening of the Virginia Technical College in 2004, a research institute focused around technology and engineering. This period of economic growth in Richmond came to an abrupt end in 2019 with the Great Housing Crash, which led to a significant number of foreclosures in the city, as well as a contraction in tourism and the economic collapse of much of the Riverfront District.

By 2024, Richmond, like other cities in the Midsouth, is known in the United States as a place that people leave, rather than as a place that people move to.

Is Richmond still the largest city in Virginia or is it someplace else, like Norfolk?

 

[David bar Elias]

Is Richmond still the largest city in Virginia or is it someplace else, like Norfolk?

By 2024, Norfolk has a larger population than Richmond, with a population of almost 200,000 people.

 

[JaksenMikkelsen]

How does Jackson MS ITTL compare to one IOTL?

 

[CASSICTOR2]

How long did Cassius Madison life was in this world?
What was Cassius Madison life like after the South dissolution?
Did Cassius Madison ever find peace after his entire family was killed by the Featherstone regime?
Did Cassius ever started his own family?

 

[David bar Elias]

How long did Cassius Madison life was in this world?
What was Cassius Madison life like after the South dissolution?
Did Cassius Madison ever find peace after his entire family was killed by the Featherstone regime?
Did Cassius ever started his own family?

Cassius Madison married another survivor of the Destruction in 1950. He had four children, who went on to have different careers and lives. One daughter, Flora, became a writer, who was best known for the historical novel Ghostlands.

Madison lived with his family for a time in New York City, before later moving to Washington in the late 1950s to take permanent charge of a reorganized and expanded Remembrance Center. Madison intended for the Remembrance Center to work with the US government to hunt down wanted ex-Confederate war criminals, and also to commemorate the victims of the Destruction. Madison led the Remembrance Center until 2001, when he retired to focus on efforts in the United States and Haiti to commemorate the victims of the Destruction. While Madison was involved in public life in his role as the leader of the Remembrance Center, and enjoyed cordial ties with several US presidential administrations, he was otherwise someone who shunned the limelight. He refused all attempts to make a film based on his life, and the first authorized biography of Madison was not published until after his death.

Madison never recovered from the loss of his family and friends in the Destruction. He did not learn the full story of his own father’s life until the early 1980s, with help from several historians and archivists.

Madison returned briefly to public life in the late 2000s and early 2010s, when he was among those who advocated for the United States to stop the atrocities that were being committed by the regime in Sudan against the people of southern Sudan and Darfur.

Cassius Madison died of natural causes in 2019. He was given a state funeral by the US government. In 2027, a monument to Madison was unveiled on the National Mall in Washington. The Cassius Madison Monument consisted of a statue that was rendered in the American Heroic style, and consisted of a statue of a younger Madison raising his rifle in determined anger against an unseen Jake Featherston.

 

[DeltaEnterprise252]

What are some big TV shows that exist in TTL? Given the US's large alliance are there many TV shows that take place in both the US and the countries they're aligned with?

 

[David bar Elias]

How does Jackson MS ITTL compare to one IOTL?

After the end of the Second Great War, Jackson was the base of operations for the US military government of Mississippi. There was violence in Jackson, as elsewhere in Mississippi, from the anti-US insurgency in the first two decades after the war, though the insurgency in Mississippi was militarily defeated by the mid-1960s. The US authorities systematically destroyed all Confederate monuments and post-War of Secession government buildings.

Jackson was devastated by the Destruction, and the survivors from the city did not permanently return after the end of the war. The city government of Jackson did not officially acknowledge the crimes of the Destruction until 1985. There are several memorials to the Destruction in Jackson by 2024.

Jackson never recovered demographically or economically from the effects of the Destruction and the Second Great War, which was compounded later in the 20th Century by people leaving the city in search of better economic opportunities elsewhere in the United States. There were three major waves of emigration from Jackson and Mississippi after the end of the Second Great War. During the first postwar generation, especially in the late 1940s and early 1950s, most people who left Jackson went to the Republic of Texas. During the 1980s and 1990s, most migrants from Jackson, and elsewhere in Mississippi, left for the Northeast and Midwest of the United States, while most migrants from Jackson and elsewhere in Mississippi left for the West Coast or Far Southwest during the 2000s and 2010s. By 2024, the population of Jackson is just over 85,000 people.

By 2024, the economy of Jackson is more oriented around agriculture compared to our world. There are also fewer institutes of higher learning or museums in the city compared to our world. There were attempts by the government of Mississippi in 2000s and 2010s to boost tourism and attract new residents by legalizing gambling and promoting efforts to improve the music and cultural scenes of the state. These efforts had mixed effects at best, and ended up in failure following the Great Housing Crash. For a time, during the 2000s and 2010s, Jackson, along with Pascagoula, Gulfport, and Biloxi, did gain reputations for their respective nightlifes, though Jackson did not have the hard-partying image in the 2000s and 2010s that its rivals on the Gulf Coast did, to say nothing of places like New Orleans or Havana.

By 2024, the Democratic Party maintains political control over Jackson, as elsewhere in Mississippi. Elections in Jackson are usually quiet, with primary races sometimes having higher levels of local interest compared to general elections.

 

[PsychoNeo]

In our timeline, Southern states (like Texas, Georgia, North Carolina, Florida, and even Arkansas) are growing and gaining numbers. Does the South in this timeline experience something similar?

 

[Lalli]

If I have understand correctly every Confederate memorial and statue were destroyed. That is really logical surely. Did Americans too destroy all graves of Confederate Founding Fathers like Jefferson Davis' or Robert E. Lee's graves?

In our timeline, Southern states (like Texas, Georgia, North Carolina, Florida, and even Arkansas) are growing and gaining numbers. Does the South in this timeline experience something similar?

If I have understand correctly these places are not getting any boost by 2024.